40 minutes (starts 20 minutes into the file). This was on Blessed John Paul the Great Leafeater's Club, with hosts Terry Moran and John Lillis (88.1 FM in Sioux City, Iowa). As so often, I gave a "nutshell" version of my conversion story. Every time one hits it from a little different angle, I guess. The definitive version is the 75-page account in my book, Catholic Converts and Conversion. This interview was very informal and free-wheeling, which in turn relaxed me all the more, and my humor and "personality" were brought out fairly well.